Montréal, Québec recenlty hosted the 24th International AIDS Conference. It was more inclusive and 'hopeful' and a lot different than the fifth international AIDS conference in Montréal in 1989. In this episode it was a pleasure to speak with athiest-AIDS-activist turned Concordia University professor, Karen Herland, who takes you behind-the-scenes of the pre-internet activism and organizing that helped changed everything for people living with or affected by HIV and AIDS. NOTE: This is one of my favorite interviews. Herland is an inspirational storyteller and educator...and was an influential community leader when the LGBTQ community needed it most.